It's past time to abolish Greek life. There’s such a stereotype associated with fraternities, and let’s be honest, many of them deserve that stereotype. They're causing us more harm than good considering most of the parties happening and COVID cases are within greek life. I know my message was somewhat aggressive but this is the result of witnessing constant abuse. There is an increasing call from former members of college fraternities and sororities to “Abolish Greek Life” (AGL). Then, send us your story. i know of one panhellenic sorority who completely shut down their house this year because they didn't want to endanger anyone by making their girls live in, which i think was a good move on their part. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/I also really feel for some of the AC Transit drivers. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. They thrive off of discrimination. Be happy and be your best. Thread locked for brigading from (primarily) r/frat. It’s telling that everyone that agrees with you isn’t in a frat or sorority... they don’t see the real benefits. Lol yea i was at first a little interested in rushing for a sorority but after looking thru their instagrams and seeing like only 20% of their members not being thin rich white girls I was completely turned off from them trying to project a certain lifestyle ... seems like an exclusive partying club mostly based on looks and money to me ♀️, How did you discern the wealth of each soroity girl mentioned? But things are changing and becoming better in the Greek Life system. It would not surprise me if I get downvoted for this. Greek life promotes a social hierarchy that feeds off of class status, gender status, racial status, homophobia, and transphobia. There's tons of parties in IV, it's an issue with the students as a whole and the local government for not shutting parties down. Contact. By Steve Connelly . The Abolish Greek life movement that has been sweeping across the country has made its way to Tech. What We Do. i agree the greek system is massively fucked up but just bc a few frats and sororities are being dumb doesn't mean everyone associated w a frat (particularly pre-prof and multicultural frats) should get backlash as well. With that being said, even if they aren’t associated with the school, you could still have organized fraternities. The councils have about 1,400 members each. The more you try to control others, the more you will suffer. Abolish Greek Life. Thank you for speaking out for Greek Life. Redditors not having a clue about Greek life. If they repeat, suspend them. As a member of another fraternity here on campus, it's nice to see our voices heard. or even the multicultural greek orgs? By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Harvard tried and failed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/, pre-professional frats aren't allowed to have anything in person at all. I dont have any love for greek life but a lot of the arguments against it reek of sour grapes. Once, I was walking with my instrument (pulling it behind me on wheels) for a gig near the International House. Jim Piazza Not Pushing To Abolish Greek Life, Seeks Nationwide Reform. Does anyone have any ideas on how feasible it would be to actually have Greek life removed from UCSB? should chapters like the one i mentioned and the few others that have been monitoring covid be punished for reckless behavior of other chapters? Join Us. EDIT: After reading some comments, I should clarify I mean social orgs such as IFC and Panhellenic. She later went to a frat party just to see what it was like and said it was the worst party experience she'd ever had. Press J to jump to the feed. If Greek life is truly about connecting with other people than the drinking and the partying don’t and shouldn’t be a regular thing. I've been a regular rider on a lot of campus-adjacent lines, and while most drivers express a sense of general exasperation with all UCB students if you chat with them, they really dislike how the frat kids get come eveningtime and later. i just don't think that's fair. Even if you aren’t in the roughly 40 percent of undergraduates who join a fraternity or sorority, their influence can be hard to escape, since they often dictate when the parties are, where the parties are, and exactly who’s invited. I’ve always been anti-Greek life. New Hope in Old Appalachia It all begins with an idea. 3,719 Followers, 1,786 Following, 31 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Greek Life (@abolish_greeklife) If you aren't aware, multiple houses have already faced serious sanctions for it and if there's proof/pictures the respective greek councils look into it. How would abolishing Greek life solve any of these issues? 5/14/18 6:21 pm. This is how I feel as well. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. Let’s be honest, frats thrive off of their exclusivity. After Floyd’s killing in police custody and … When the orgs are predominantly white and only take white girls (no matter how hard they claim diversity aka a phi and pi phi you're not fooling anyone) the "opportunities" and "networking" y'all claim is limited to white folks. literally what the title says. And above all, they thrive off of this toxic brotherhood culture, where many have fallen victim to rape coverups and denial. Well, graduated this semester so I’m an alumni but I digress. I learned more as president of my fraternity than I did in any of my coursework at Berkeley and many of those guys are still my best friends to this day. "other people are partying too" yes and? Abolish NU IFC/PHA Greek Life has 297 photos and videos on their Instagram profile. You act like there aren’t older people that live in IV who are at risk because students won’t stop partying. About. Chapters. (the rest of this petition currently refers to frats only, but we are currently updating it to address sororities too!) By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. We must abolish it,” states a Change.org petition created by the Abolish Greek Life movement, which is made up largely of former fraternity and sorority members who have left their organizations in protest of what they say is the toxic and bigoted nature of historically White fraternities and sororities (HWFS). Being in Greek Life, knowing what I know, experiencing what I experienced ... Abolish Stanford Greek life: Confessions from an ex-sorority president. With the recent email that was sent out regarding COVID rates surging because of frat parties, what are your opinions on whether or not we should abolish Greek life? The Piazza family has been pushing for aggressive reform and pinpoints that as the key to success in changing Greek culture and avoiding another national tragedy. View Entire Discussion (149 Comments) Good luck with that. This boils down to a larger problem with local government at this point and taking it all out on Greeks is just simply not the answer honey. i definitely see your reasoning for abolishing greek life, but if we do abolish all, where do we draw the line of what we are removing from campus? Well, the first amendment guarantees the right of people to peaceably assemble. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. Please take what I have said into consideration. I used to dread having to go anywhere near the frat houses. Fraternities and sororities are built on systems of exclusion, oppression, and violence. EDIT (again): If you're going to defend greek life and say they aren't the only ones partying then you better go just as hard in holding them accountable. Plus I seriously doubt "most" of the parties are coming from greek life, greek life is just the only group that is getting held accountable. Folder: About. You’ve clearly been bottled up at home since March. IFC and Panhellenic are historically racist orgs that perpetuate systemic oppression of minorities, as they aren't as accessible to minorities. The best thing to do right now is to keep calm and reduce your risk by not getting close to anyone who likes to drink alcohol in a group. Not just people you agree with or like, *everyone/anyone*. 2,733 Followers, 112 Following, 258 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Richmond Greek Life (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) I know people personally who have been roofied, raped, sexually assaulted, etc... at frats and for their sake I will not be standing by idly. I'm not a UC student. it doesn't negate what greek life is doing. At Northwestern, the Greek system is the absolute authority on social life. I also cannot be the only one that feels they need to go. The culture of sexual assault and the emphasis on conforming to fit into this system was unappealing to me from the start, but recently, as the Abolish Greek Life … The only part of your argument I have a problem with is “a low 3.0 in humanities”.... idk I feel like this statement was unnecessary, it puts down student’s accomplishments and major/passions regardless of whether they’re involved in Greek life or not... has a very god-complex tone to me. There were some rich, white dudes, but people came from all over and we worked on payment plans for brothers that had hit hard times. The system is broken. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. also why is this comment controversial lol. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/berkeley. These three frat guys kept pushing on it from behind and laughing. Not to mention the rampant racism, classism, and sexual harassment allegations that come from there. More posts from the UCSantaBarbara community. I get that it’s mostly white people, but I think that’s a bit condescending or disregarding of non white people in Greek Life that enjoy it. I see why people harp on the ills of the Greek system, but I can't imagine how much worse my life would be if it weren't for the impact of my fraternity brothers. That isn’t to say that there isn’t a lot of work that needs to still be done, but I do believe that the dismissal of all feats like this isn’t a good thing. We cannot adequately reform Greek life. For a better tomorrow, we must #AbolishGreekLife. The movement argues that Greek life is exclusionary, racist and misogynist, and structurally resistant to important reforms due to the hierarchical nature of national Greek organizations. This sounds a lot like my experience 15-20 years ago at Cal. because they are technically part of greek life but they don't have houses and have gone entirely virtual amidst covid so when you say abolish greek life, is it only the frats and sororities part of ifc and npc? Back. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. If these Greek houses violated County guidelines, cite them. I understand the greek orgs they want to ban are the ‘white’ ones, and not the ‘black’ ones, but it irks me when people call them the white ones. We are college students, alumni, and activists who reject the continuation of fraternity and sorority life. Read More. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts There are hundreds of parties going in iv which include those who are CC kids and UC kids who are not in Greek life. Go outside, smell some fresh air, get some sun, and lighten your mood. I'm just a Berkeley citizen, who's lived here for most of my life. It was the cheapest option for most people. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. My guess is that it would probably be more likely for their national organization to take away their charter so maybe just a lot of snitching when they party but there has to be a less tedious way. Login; ... abolish greek life by: agl Nov 28, 2020 11:13:15 AM. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. But abolishing them looks to me like collective punishment, and hasn't the world and the US (in violation of its founding principles) done enough of that in history? News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. Frats bois aren’t partying because they’re in frats, they’re in frats because they wanna party. How bout the 50 houses on dp partying every weekend? This petition is a call to abolish Greek life (fraternities and sororities). Also, just because 1 frat parties, doesn’t mean they all do. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. Our Mission To dismantle the fraternity and sorority system on every campus, expelling the exclusivity, discrimination, and violence Greek Life brings with it. I can't really say whether Cal should or shouldn't ban them. not to mention that 20 people at a random house party on DP (which is still bad) aren't collectively contributing to and benefiting from a racist, classist, outdated and ORGANIZED system. Projects. what about the students who are part of multicultural sororities for an actual community to help them embrace their identity? When I was in the hospital a few years back, my frat bros came to my bedside. Who cares about frats? what about the aspiring physicians or lawyers in the pre-professional co ed frats that benefit from the resources these orgs provide? Sounds like you discriminated them based on what they choose to post on social media. Press J to jump to the feed. You must be one of those “respect me and my choices, but I have no respect for you or yours” types. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/. @abolish_greeklife on Instagram | greeklifeabolition@gmail.com. What We Do Chapters Current Page: Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Projects. Chapters. Folder: About. Inspired by the Abolish Greek life Movement at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, which has received national attention, students at Tech have now formed their own coalition on the matter.. I just think that it is too late to abolish … But it is noticeable that no other parks on the whole South Coast have permanent tent encampments. By Noor Fakih on October 27, 2020. Has anyone else’s school have an abolish Greek life movement going on? even then, what about the sororities or frats that have been responsible and enforcing negative consequences for going out? when we think of greek life, we might automatically think of these reckless frat boys and sorority girls who are partying, but it is much bigger than that so do we get rid of them all or do we find a way to remove only the problematic chapters? I’m proud to say that I could be openly out in my frat, with both my sexuality and the fact I’m non-binary. About. But, as a "civilian" so to speak, I can attest to the fact that they're a general nuisance. Students at Vanderbilt University are dropping out of their Greek organizations by the hundreds and demanding chapters disaffiliate from their national offices. Focus inward, not outward. This is understandable, a lot of people don’t, but if that’s the case you can’t just cancel an organization because their ways don’t agree with yours. If you’re going to try and discredit my argument, please do so without arrogance. There is a lot of good work to do here in IV, helping our unhoused and essential workers be safer too, in a kind and generous way. When I got divorced, my brothers were my support system. Nationwide calls to abolish Greek life are focused on the Interfraternity Council, with 25 men's fraternities and two co-ed fraternities at Penn, and the Panhellenic Council which is composed of eight women’s sororities at Penn. I have enormous sympathy for unhoused folk in today's mess, and IV is kind and generous in many ways... the Pescadero Lofts, outreach through various programs, including the religious institutions in IV, which I support and volunteer at. To start, let's do a simple thought experiment and imagine a world in which fraternities were not a part of higher educat I could write a book on this matter chock-full of personal experiences but just writing this post is giving me a headache. where do the pre professional greek organizations come into play with this though, out of curiosity? Not to mention, there’s still research being done on the long term effects of covid, so we don’t even know what kind of health problems people could experience down the road. What We Do Current Page: Chapters Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Chapters. Multicultural orgs are iffy because hazing within them is a whole different (dangerous and harmful) issue but it's a conversation for a different day. I've drove down DP on a weekend night, and it seems like it's more of an IV issue than a greek life issue, which is only 10% of the school, and an even smaller percentage of IV. What We Do. I think you can’t take this all out on Greeks. Back. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Fiji is recognized by the IFC now, they don’t throw parties as much because if they get one more issue arise from their parties they could get unrecognized. Gay guy in a fraternity, here. You hit the triple whammy by judging them for their race, body and “wealth”. Start by signing the petition. Calls for restructuring White Greek life are not new, but cries to abolish them have sharpened in recent months. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Uh oh, watch out Thad and Chad. Catcalls, mostly- every time. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. Leave the students to fraternize as they see fit. (pre professional orgs are MUCH more inclusive and understanding from what i've seen and I see nothing wrong with benefiting because of academic merit). We must abolish it. Contact. I'm not even part of a frat but using the select few worst examples and extrapolating that to the whole group of frats is pure ignorance. 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